Artistic Integrity vs Misandry/Misogyny: NSFW

this post might offend some of you, but i’m posting in in hopes it will cause you to do a little thinking. there’s a quiz at the end. i rarely post something along the lines of this post, but sometimes you have to say, fuck it.

DISCLAIMER!!!!!!!!! NSFW
the video clip for the movie below is VERY NSFW. i had a VERY hard time deciding whether to post this or not. this post has been sitting in the draft section for a loooooooong time. i think i’ve been blogging long enough to where you readers know this clip is not something i personally advocate, but use as an example as a spectrum of misogyny/misandry in the arts. i will ask the readers a serious question at the end of this post and you don’t need to write your reply. just think about it and answer it honestly.

like most horror fans, i watched and liked “hostel”. i thought it was brutal, and original, and ballsy. i also liked that none of the actors were a-listers. to me that gives a movie more credibility and i’m more able to suspend disbelief. so of course i saw hostel II when it came out. well, i was conflicted; something about it didn’t quite sit well with me, but i couldn’t put my finger on it. SPOILER the movie ends with the female protagonist turning the table on her tormentor and she kills him to “join the club”. she has to kill him, so she ends up cutting off his dick and throwing it to a german shepard that heartily feasts on it. given she knows the nature of the club and how her 2 friends were murdered, i can understand her method of dispatching her would be killer.

well, then i read an interview with the writer and director (eli roth) after the movie had been out 2-3 weeks. he was questioned about the “death scenes” of the protagonists and mr. roth informs us that the most difficult thing for him in terms of making the movie was ensuring that it didn’t give off the vibe of being misogynistic.

WHAAAAAAAT!!!!!!

this is when it hit me, and i now HATE roth as a disingenuous douchefuck. so cutting a man’s mule off and feeding it to an animal is ok becasue well, you can’t have men torturing women because it’s misogynistic and sexist and people might take offense. DESPITE the fact that the “club” exists to torture people. a few countries, including japan refused to show the film. overseas you get a “yay” or “nay” to show your movie. japan refused to show hostel 2 because in the first film a japanese woman has her face burned off. i wonder if THAT is why misogyny was a taboo subject to the second installment of the franchise. and trust me, i lived in japan for 3 years, they are NOT concerned with misogyny. a common scenario in a lot of japanese porn revolves around a man or mostly GROUPS of older men molesting a younger girl (typically on a train). the “club exists to torture and kill POEPLE, so he obviously wasn’t concerned with coming off as misogynistic in the first film, and i certainly didn’t take it that way.

as far as i’m concerned roth has lost all credibility as a filmmaker or “artist”. whatever happened to artistic intergrity? i guess when profits MIGHT suffer you grab your ankles and become another corporate lap-dog. although, hollywood being what it is, i’m not REALLY surprised. honestly, even if i disagree with the message you may be putting out, i’ll respect the hell out of you expressing it especially knowing you’re gonna catch flak.

consider the above: exhibit A.

i was in hong kong buying bootleg DVD’s with my boy because, well…..that’s what you do in asia. i had heard about this new movie by gaspar noe called irreversible the concept and structure of the storyline intrigued me. the film starts at the ending and plays back to where it ends at the beginning of the story. it’s a tad anticlimactic but it’s a VERY good movie and mr. noe pulls it off well. of course the climax of the movie is what it’s most well known for. i found a copy of it and watched it. well, i BARELY made it through the first 15-20 minutes. it was VERY uncomfortable to watch. most people just can’t stomach the begining of the film. i’ve had more than one person return it and said the couldn’t get past the “fire extinguisher” scene. a few couldn’t get past the gay sex club part at the very begining (whereas personally, i was watching it with a moist tent in my shorts. i digress).

as an INTJ, when i find something i like i become obsessed with studying it. i went on amazon and found his first film was “i stand alone”. the story line reads like a post on the spearhead. man get dumped by mom as a kid, drops out of school, becomes a butcher, get a chick pregnant, she bails, he works/saves to buy his own place, kid is mute, tragedy with daughter, dad kills man who turns out to be innocent for the “crime” on his daughter, he goes to jail, gets out, daughter is in an institution, works at a bar, get shrew owner pregnant, moves in with her, she berates him at every turn, then…..

the scene. what occurs in this scene is so brutal it would NEVER be even scripted by and american writer for the big screen. and if he did, the MPAA would give it the dreaded NC-17, IF they allowed it to be played at all. SPOILER!!!! quit reading now if your prefer to view it yourself, but i’d prefer you watch rather than read as your reaction will be key. it MUCH more visceral when you watch it without knowing. at minute 22:50, in the middle of one of her tirades against him, he snaps and begins repeatedly punching her in the stomach. he steals her gun, and leaves. telling himself he did the kid a favor.

from that point the protagonist (and you REALLY feel for this guy) continues down a path with no hope of happiness. it’s dark, it’s brooding, it’s the furthest thing from a “happily ever after” movie you’ll ever see. that MIGHT be why i like it so much. but you have to give gaspar tons of credit. the scene is VERY VERY misogynistic, but as reprehensible as his actions are, you completely understand why he went there. the man snapped, he was pushed past the point of any sort of sanity or rational thought. or….did he REALLY do the right thing? that’s for you to ponder. do i condone what he does, NO. not at all.

below is the link to the entire film. it’s in french. the scene JUST BEFORE 22:50 (when the “scene” happens) shows him at a porno theater and shows the porno on film. you’ve been warned. but i’d urge you to watch the opening dialogue and the intro telling the protagonists background. then skip to 22:50, OR watch the whole damn thing.

now. the question i wanted to ask was- put your personal morals aside for a moment and ask yourself: did you feel outward and equal anger at the blatant misandry of the first movie as you did with the blatant misogyny of the second film.

i ask to see how programmed by feminism you been to the point where the second film offended you MORE than the misandry in the first? again….you don’t have to answer.

secondly, i just wanted to show the complete hypocrisy of american cinema vs. european cinema. hostel I had NO ISSUE with “torturing a female, but suddenly changed it’s tune for the second film. you NEVER see an american film-make do a scene like the second. although there is always THIS gem. warning: foul language.

just food for thought, you do the dishes.

stay up.


8 Comments on “Artistic Integrity vs Misandry/Misogyny: NSFW”

  1. Joe Sixpack says:

    mysogyny/misandry: alot of what makes Bill Burr’s act so funny is that he has the balls to question whether the women that get beat up by their man is so innocent after all. Chris Brown and Rianna. He asks the question whether Rianna was an innocent victim or did she incite Brown so much that he snapped.

    Are we all to really believe that Rianna was sitting innocently sipping tea when just out of the blue Brown comes up and whacks her? Was she really so innocent? Maybe. But there is always two sides to every story.

  2. deti says:

    I have to agree: I’m much less horrified by the woman-on-man violence in Hostel 2 than by the man-on-woman violence in irreversible.

    In Hostel 2, I felt the man is the villain and gets what he deserved.

    In Irreversible I thought the woman doesn’t deserve her treatment, no matter how terrible she is to the protagonist.

    Those were my first blush reactions.

    But we have to remember that we men are hardwired this way — you protect a woman, regardless of how trollish, how terrible, how nagging, how bitchy, whatever. Because she’s a woman, and you’re a man, and you’re bigger and stronger, and she can’t defend herself against you.

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  4. M3 says:

    Wow.. you just jogged my memory to a movie i never knew the title to. Turns out i caught the movie Irréversible on late night TV, perhaps on my illegal black box back in the mid 90’s… i can’t recall. I happened to turn it on right during the fire extinguisher scene.

    Fuck that disturbed me to no end. Couldn’t sleep for the next hour as the sound of the extinguisher meeting his skull played in my head over and over. Was as realistic as watching a real man die in front of your eyes.. not some hollywood shit quick death.

    Dude, our culture is born and breed from start to finish toward accepting the disposable male complex. I had an argument with my co-workers the other day stemming from a comment i left over on A Voice for Men’s facebook page regarding circumcision.

    NONE of my MALE coworkers could grasp their heads around the idea that mutilating a boys genitals at an age where he his no choice, agency or ability to speak about his own genital integrity.. was just a-oh-fucking-kay.. because

    -it’s normal / happens all the time
    -it keeps the dick clean
    -it’s religious
    -they don’t remember it

    They were shocked to hear about how many nerve ending you lose, and less sex sensation you get. Or that over 100 kids die a year from it.. that was news too.

    And even then you could tell i wasn’t winning them over.

    But talk of putting a scalpel near a girl… you’re Hitler.

    This continent.. it runs on misandry. Literally. The blood of men.

  5. Vicomte says:

    Wait…was I supposed to feel something?

    Too stagey. And the woman is ugly and old.

    0 bleeding hearts out of ten.

  6. Ton says:

    Utterly unphased by extreme actions in movies and much more cranky about the day to day ridicule of men on tv

  7. I guess it shows how much we really are raised that what should be equal, we find one ‘more wrong’.


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