Jobs for Men Considering the Military

i wrote some time ago about “joining the military”. i came in at a good time. there has been a serious overhaul in military retirement. what the linked article DOESN’T tell you (and i was looking for it, it was in a recent “navy times”) is basically, at 16 years of service they will do a board on you. if you don’t “measure up”, they will kick you out with “severance pay”.

yeah i know, it’s fucked up.

part of my job is counseling young Sailors, i usually only counsel junior males. i tell them all the same thing-“get the most training you can while you’re in that will allow you the most pay as a civilian and get the fuck out the navy. besides, the atmosphere is getting pretty toxic towards men.” never had a kid not nod in aggreement. i promise you, if you join the navy now you WILL attend a biannual “sexual assault prevention” training stand down. and it’s totally misandrist.

BUT, there ARE some jobs that will train and provide you with 5 years of experience. when you get out you go to the top of the list of persons applying for a job. some rates i would go into if i were joinging the navy

IT- they work on computers
ET- don’t go coms, go equipment- those guys fix everything that runs on electricity
most off the engineering rates pay well on the civilian side, but you work your ass off. i’d do anything aside from DC (they’re fireman btw- if that’s your thing). MR’s make SERIOUS money on the outside
CT- they run intel, it’s a stepping stone to working for the CIA, FBI, etc. i’d go interpretive (they do translating. chinese, arabic and pashto are MONEY right now)
SeaBee’s. these guys are great. they work hard and play harder. PLUS they do 6 mpnth deployments all over the world so you WILL do some travelling. any one of the “construction rate’s” pay well on the outside. you gotta love a group who’s motto is “we build, we fight”. lol. personally i’d go construction mechanic (CM), construction electrician (CE), builder (BU) or steelworker (SW).
AC- air traffic controller. they make MAJOR bank on the outside.
HM- my rate. downside….takes FOREVER to make rank. upside- there is specialized training you can do that pay well: xray, nuke med, cardio vascular tech, bio-med repair (that’s what i wanted to do…..counldn’t finish the NEETS modules, said fuck it….i’ll go to xray school)
AE- they repair electronics on airplanes. get out and take a job at boeing or any major airline.
any of the “deck” or “engineering” rates will land you a job with the merchant marines. they’re civilian sailors that actually make money.

you get free training, a sweet college program when you get out (the navy will be paying me to go to welding school) AND while going to school after getting out you get paid BAH (basic allowence for housing). throw your zip code here to see what you’d make. back in new orleans i’ll be malking $1089 a month while in school. you can’t beat that.

join up, choose a job that pays well, get your ass out. and i’m not going to lie to you, you’re slave labor as an E1-E3. BUT that just means you learn your job well. and don’t sweat boot camp, it’s a fucking joke now. shave your head before you take off and save yourself some time. and realize you won’t shit for the first week you’re in boot camp.

stay up.

5 Comments on “Jobs for Men Considering the Military”

  1. commenting101 says:

    Why won’t you shit for a week in basic?

  2. adiaforon says:

    I can chime in for jobs to do in the Army:

    First, you should blow the ASVAB out of the water. The higher you score on the ASVAB, the more choice you have for jobs. Those that ended up as cooks, fuelers, etc., weren’t the sharpest knives in the drawer. The ASVAB, anyway, tests you on basic shit that you should have learned in school. If not, there are plenty of study resources.

    So, for the jobs:

    1. Anything IT-related and that uses COTS equipment/software used in the civilian world, and that requires industry certifications like A+, Security+, CISSP, etc. These will be critical if you choose to work for the government/DoD since such certifications are a requirement now. Look up the 8570 requirement (This applies all across DoD.)

    2. Anything healthcare-related — but only something that has a close analogue on the outside, and something, like with the IT jobs, that requires industry certifications and licenses. I remember some emergency techs who had get EMT certifications as part of their job. Or, if they didn’t get those certifications, they had the training and experience to make getting the cert that much easier. Much of what you learn in medical is definitely applicable to the outside world.

    And, healthcare, with the retiring Baby Boomers, will become more and more important in the coming years.

    3. Anything intel-related, but this is good only for government work either on the Fed side or the contractor side. Afghan languages and dialects, yes, pay very good money on the outside, but this might not last for very long since Afghanistan will be drawing down more and more once 2015 rolls around. More generally, since Hagel’s remarks that he wants to cut the Army back down to WW II levels, though unfeasible, is a clear signal that more contractors will get the axe in the coming years because neither the Army nor DoD has the money to pay for them. Also, getting a government job will become more difficult because of budgetary pressures in the wake of sequestration and the shutdown from last year. Just be aware of this.

    And, going into an intel job will require at least a top secret clearance. If you want to work for the intelligence community in the future, having the clearance in hand will make you more marketable because that relieves the government agency or contractor to spend the time and money to get you cleared. In the current fiscally austere climate, neither of them are willing to spend the time and money. Consequently, they’re cockblocking themselves and shooting themselves in the foot, but the government isn’t known for brilliance in handling these matters.

    So, in general, avoid any job where half of it isn’t applicable to the outside world. The more technical you are, the more healthcare-oriented you are, the better off you’ll be. If you plan on staying in for about ten years, then you could probably fuck around more and do things like infantry, cooks, etc., but then you’ll wonder where the time went and why you have no marketable skills. There are far too many people who stay in the military for too long because they didn’t have the foresight to plan what they were going to do if they reached a point where they couldn’t take it anymore, and because they were seduced by the retirement. Consequently, they become bitter and lazy and ineffective.

    Finally, realized that, if you sign up for the GI Bill, you CAN use your benefits while on active duty. Use those benefits to work on an associate’s degree, at least, and sit for certification exams WHILE ON ACTIVE DUTY. The more shit you have in your hand when you get out, the more boners you’re likely to get from employers, because you’ve been trained and have experience right out of the gate, relieving the pressure on them to train you and get you certified. Do NOT have the mindset that, because you’re a veteran, you’re owed something. One reason, IMO, that vets are having a tough time getting jobs isn’t really due to a shitty economy, but it’s because employers don’t really care if you’re a vet. You have to prove to them that you’re trained and that you can do the job and make them money.

    • dannyfrom504 says:

      my nephew wanted to join the Marines, but they were being SUPER selective at the time. he ended up in the army- infantry. he finally found his “niche”. the only thing about the army is a lot of times they don’t really attract the brightest bulbs. my nephew saw that right away and he’s quickly jumped through the ranks.

      but as you pointed out, there is VERY good training available in all branches. just make sure you choose something that’s marketable on the civilian side.

      • adiaforon says:

        No, the Army doesn’t always attract the brightest bulbs, but it’s big enough where you could find your niche if you choose wisely and play your cards right. It’s better than the Air Force, which is probably the most selective and most ready to downsize over-strength jobs. Too much competition to get in to the Air Force when times are tough. I think the Navy comes in as a close second.

        Really, you find dim bulbs and assholes everywhere, regardless of service. It all depends on the person and the wider leadership. Personally, in the Army, I’ve met some really stupid Signal folks and some really sharp infantry and combat arms guys (especially Special Forces, where they play for keeps and there’s no room to dick around).

        As long as you keep your eyes on the prize, whatever it might be, you can weather any storm. Keep your head down, stay out of trouble, and walk out in a better position you were in when you first enlisted.

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